jehnt
i cannot for the life of me figure out why fandom drama causes me to look for salvation in math 
31st-May-2007 05:28 pm
This is a general post to all those who are saying that since fandom is such small portion of LJ's userbase, we aren't significant to them. I don't think that. I don't think that at all. Let's look at some numbers, shall we?

[Warning: Lots of fuzzy maths and suppositions, due mostly to LJ having moved critical stats from the stats page, damn them.]

The ones I see bandied about most are these two: the number of journals created, which is 13 million, and the number(s) coming from [livejournal.com profile] fandom_counts, which currently stands at around 30,000.

Let's clear up some misconceptions about that first number. As a quick glance at the stats page shows, of those 13 million accounts, only 8 million have ever updated. That number is irrelevant, since we all know some people who just have an lj to join communities/comment with and don't ever put anything in it. But we don't have to worry about that because LJ gives us another number: the number of accounts "active in some way," which is 2 million. That number is a lot smaller than the 13 million we started out with.

LJ says around 600,000 journals have updated in the past week, but due to contradictory language on different parts of the site regarding the "updating in last 24 hours" statistic, it is debatable whether this means individual journals that have updated in the past week or individual posts made, possibly in the same journal in the past week... which are very different things and leave us with very different numbers. I'm going to assume that when they say 600,000 journals updating in the past week, they do mean the number of journals and not the number of individual posts.

So, when you look at those numbers, fandom is a much larger chunk proportionally. And, probably importantly, fandom likely has a much larger paid:free/plus ratio than the rest of the community. Anecdotal evidence: No one I know from my RL account (except me, since I could never do without extra userpics) has a paid account. I only know a handful who have plus accounts. LJ Stats used to have the number of paid vs free accounts on their page, but those have been removed (with the introduction of plus accounts?). From what I remember, though, paid accounts were 1% or less than the total number, and they were keeping the servers running on whatever money they made from that... and that was before the advent of extra userpics and vgifts and so on. I doubt that many people dropped their paid accounts in favor of plus ones and I also bet, all things considered, that as the number of total accounts increased the number of paid accounts increased proportionally. It stands to reason, then, that most if not all of LJ's overhead is covered by paid accounts and extras.

[livejournal.com profile] fandompays is showing that about 2000 people responded to the poll as having paid accounts and another thousand have additional userpics, and using extraordinarily fuzzy math here (to also account for the numbers that show money being exchanged that I didn't look at closely) we're getting that the 2500 fandom members who had responded to the poll when I looked at it have spent an absolute minimum of $70,000 on LJ in the past year alone. I actually think this number is over $100,000, but I was too lazy to do the exact maths and was just eyeballing it.

Only around 2500 people responded to the [livejournal.com profile] fandompays poll, while 30,000 are at [livejournal.com profile] fandom_counts. Even accounting for the multiple journals belonging to the same people at the latter and the response bias in the former (I'm willing to bet those with paid/permanent accounts and those who spend significantly on LJ were far, far more likely to respond... plus just those of us who can't not do every poll we come across), there are still probably quite a few paid fandom accounts. When we start trying to take into account the number of people who might not be currently checking LJ due to being on vacation, busy with work/school, or those that only check LJ on weekends, this number grows larger still.

I really don't think LJ/SA makes tons of money from this operation, and given the theoretical number of paid accounts and the fact that these are likely supporting overhead (possibly plus some), losing what is a significant portion of the paying population would put a financial strain on the company since no company likes losing revenue. No, LJ/SA does not need us now that they have their fancy advertising, but if my suppositions about the money things are correct, they'd still very much like for us to stick around.

With that said... I doubt we're leaving LJ anytime soon. We're too entrenched. Any exodus from LJ would be slow and arduous. Just so we get the obligatory biblical reference out of the way, it would be like MOSES GETTING LOST IN THE DESERT FOR FORTY YEARS. Except I sincerely doubt that what his people were saying was "the porn! but WHERE is the PORN!?!?"

Also, if you can correct any mathematical errors or errors in logic on my part, please do so.
jehnt: (sga - wordy - still deadly)
Comments 
31st-May-2007 11:41 pm (UTC)
I wonder out of those "Active" accounts how many are communities that are serving members and not members themselves? Communities can be paid accounts to directly give LJ money, but communities aren't individuals that are part of the demographics for the ads, which equals more money.
31st-May-2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
Oh, I was wondering about how many of the active accounts were communities too but forgot to mention it. *headdesk* Thank you for noticing!

communities aren't individuals that are part of the demographics for the ads, which equals more money

Excellent point. This is one of those times when I wish I had all of the information about LJ's advertising and so on, since the information I do have is often confusing.
31st-May-2007 11:57 pm (UTC)
I'm a stat geek and even before all this it annoyed me when they got all excited about have 13 registered users because that means squat when they are mostly dead journals.

Hell, look through most of those affected by the strike through. A lot of them haven't been touched in 2-3 years with < 5 comments posted.

1st-Jun-2007 01:52 am (UTC)
Just dropping you a reminder that your entry for Challenge 2 (http://community.livejournal.com/lantis_lims/32794.html?mode=reply) over at [livejournal.com profile] lantis_lims is due today at 11PM EST.
1st-Jun-2007 05:41 am (UTC)
Ugh, I did exactly what I meant to not do this week and finished the icon but fell asleep. Oh well. That is, I suppose, why we have skips.
1st-Jun-2007 02:05 am (UTC)
Um, I've been away from lj for too long.

What's going on?
1st-Jun-2007 02:11 am (UTC)
Just so we get the obligatory biblical reference out of the way, it would be like MOSES GETTING LOST IN THE DESERT FOR FORTY YEARS. Except I sincerely doubt that what his people were saying was "the porn! but WHERE is the PORN!?!?" *laughs!* I think I might have just choked, too.

Thinking about my flist, I can honestly say that most of my fannish friends have paid accounts and extra userpics. It's just not unusual in fandom, is it?

Loved the analysis :).
1st-Jun-2007 02:46 am (UTC)
I honestly know very few fandom fen that don't have paid accounts.

For my own sake, though, I have to admit to registering almost 20 fandom journals over at fandom counts. The reason? 18 of them are either mod journals or RP journals. So, the rp journals might skew the statistics a bit as I know a bunch of people that have a ton of rp journals. (one girl that I know has, no joke, 50 active characters but I hate her so it's ok to mock. *mock mock mockity mock mock*)

And also - Hi! We friended over at GJ too (just wanted to reassure :))
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